Battle Lava
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RG wrote:

I just *really* like the scrolling aspect of a tracker and as far as I know LSDJ doesn't scroll like a classic tracker should.

Do you seriously ignore lsdj because it doesn't scroll?  Really?  Have you used it much?  Lsdj is an amazing little program, and really, I can't blame anyone for wanting to copy it when creating a new tracker for a console.

Last edited by Battle Lava (Jul 22, 2010 12:36 am)

RG
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Absolutely. Most of the inspiration for me (and others, which whom shall remain nameless...tired of name dropping) is watching the notes trigger at insane speeds.

I guess scrolling and seeing more than one track at a time doesn't mean a whole lot when writing within a certain set of tempos as it's like any other sequencer, but when creating music at break-neck speed, cutting breaks into upwards of twenty pieces, micro-editing, and triggering anvil-sized kick drums it matters. It's inspiration.

Oh and yes, I've used LSDJ for years bit back when it was still in it's infancy. I never liked the interface. I'm sure things have changed since but little piggy tracker doesn't impress me much either.

RG
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Oh and yes, I understand we're talking apples and oranges here. I'm just stating why I never liked the LSDJ interface.

Zero inspiration for me.

arfink
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I'm with RG on this one too, I don't like the LSDJ interface either. Same basic reason, I like the old style when possible. It's not doable on the DMG because of blurring issues though. *sigh* Then again, I prefer tracking on a computer anyway.

ant1
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For me it's more practical, I like to be able to see more than one note at the same time, because music is all about good and "bad" combinations of notes.

akira^8GB
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RG wrote:

Absolutely. Most of the inspiration for me (and others, which whom shall remain nameless...tired of name dropping) is watching the notes trigger at insane speeds.

o_O

RG
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What's so o_0 about that? LOL

This might be a regional attitude as it's been the Midwest way for 10+ years. The faster the better, even if the song is not.

"If it doesn't scroll it doesn't get made."

neilbaldwin
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No scrolling.

No scrolling.

No scrolling.

Nope.

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Shiru
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Scrolling is obsolete technology.

RG
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Perfect reasons why I don't make techno on a tracker. I leave that to the others here in the Midwest who pioneered that sort of thing, sans scrolling.

That piano scroll is a cheap jab though, but yeah, you know, screw me for having an opinion. wink

Joking of course. Lets move on.

akira^8GB
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RG wrote:

That piano scroll is a cheap jab though

Actually, that piano slab is the closest analog real life representation I can find to a tracker!
A vertical step sequencer that scrolls. Brilliant, Shiru! big_smile

Lazerbeat
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Getting back on track, if you will excuse the pun, has anyone considered the merits of a psp seq type approach to the interface? Single screen step sequencer on psp by the awesomely talented Ethan Bordeaux.

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i think the pspseq interface is the most limiting thing about this otherwise wonderful program. PLEASE don't copy pspseq.

Lazerbeat
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I don't think PSP Seq's interface problems are related to the concept (step sequencer with all information for each step at the top of the screen), more that the implementation is a little flawed. I think with more elegant key mapping and clearer values and terminology it might work out pretty well.

That being said, I adore the LSDJ interface and if its working for Neil thats awesome. I was mainly looking for alternatives. Another would be something like a Nanoloopesq graphical step sequencer? would that make the screen refresh problem more managable?

Battle Lava
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ugh, not a big fan of the nanoloop interface... unless actual note names are used with a nl style interface instead of dots and bars... unless the idea is to have a more abstract interface- and if so then bleh on you tongue

RG, if I'm beating a dead horse here then just let it go, but what is it about a scrolling interface that's inspirational?

akira^8GB
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Lazerbeat wrote:

t the implementation is a little flawed. I think with more elegant key mapping and clearer values and terminology it might work out pretty well.

IE changing the interface.
PSPSeq has serious UI and human-interaction problems.
Nanoloop is also a nightmare.

Last edited by akira^8GB (Jul 22, 2010 4:35 pm)