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193 Oct 27, 2012 6:03 am
Re: So you wanna rock out with MS-DOS/SB16? (161 replies, posted in Other Vintage Computers & Consoles)
194 Oct 26, 2012 6:15 pm
Re: So you wanna rock out with MS-DOS/SB16? (161 replies, posted in Other Vintage Computers & Consoles)
Yes exactly. It is not real OPL3, it is just emulated OPL3, hence it being "SB16 compatible" However, some patches can sound better sometimes!
195 Oct 26, 2012 3:58 pm
Re: So you wanna rock out with MS-DOS/SB16? (161 replies, posted in Other Vintage Computers & Consoles)
Bearing in mind this is a fairly common topic I took the issue of stickying this awesome topic
Love ya babes!
196 Oct 26, 2012 3:54 pm
Re: So you wanna rock out with MS-DOS/SB16? (161 replies, posted in Other Vintage Computers & Consoles)
Hey no problem peeps! Thanks for digging the info.
I have a Compaq Armada M700 that I inherited, with an ESS Maestro 2. I think it sounds bad compared to the recordings I've heard of the SB16, but it'll definitely do the job. Maybe one day I'll get around to setting up an ISA motherboard/system.
I am not too familiar with the ESS Maestro, but I imagine they are not true SB16 compatible. But if its enough to get by with, then that works.
kvee, good to know about those cards! I always wanted to mess with a PCI true SB16 card as well, and see how it operates on DOS7.1, but I never knew really what to look into. I always just dealt with ISA cards, due to its high success rate.
ant1, yea thats the issue with pci cards and the whole win/dos differences. ISA is always the best choice, since it automatically works in DOS, and with win98se.. No drivers are needed to install.
And that was my intent when tackling ms-dos music production. To find the best cards/motherboards/versions of dos, etc that will work with the least amount of configurations and headaches.
197 Oct 25, 2012 10:10 pm
Topic: So you wanna rock out with MS-DOS/SB16? (161 replies, posted in Other Vintage Computers & Consoles)
This is the thread where I am going to give out all my information that I have learned over these past years when making music with ms-dos. It is geared towards beginners that never had much experience with old pc's or ms-dos and want to try something new.
Congratulations!! Thank you for choosing Sound Blaster 16 as your song composing medium. May your music flourish with each changing parameter....
Overview:
Let's get right down to business. I know a lot of you would prefer to go the laptop route, since it is a complete system in one. However, what I have discovered (during heavy testing and field comparisons) is that there is much tone difference between sound cards. And the desktop sound blaster 16 ISA cards have much better overall sound quality than any other sound blaster 16 compatible laptop. There are also sound differences between different versions of Sound Blaster 16 cards, which I will get into later. But yes, you will probably end up spending a little bit more money on getting a desktop up and running, but believe me, its WELL WORTH IT. I use sb16 compatible laptops (ESS Audiodrive) when I play live, but I write and record off a desktop with a real Sound Blaster 16 since it sounds way better.
You can run into some other issues as well. There were times I have made a song on one of the laptops in Adlib Tracker II, then put in on the desktop to play back and record. Some of the instrument patches were way off, and others were even playing back at wrong volumes. So, you can choose to either modify on the desktop to make it sound how you want or just record off the laptop and deal with the "sound character loss." If you are just doing sample tracking, it doesn't matter. Everything sounds the same when changing from laptop to desktop, from what I have found personally. It is just the change from going to emulated fm synthesis SB16 to real fm synthesis SB16.
What to get:
All my laptops and desktops have Pentium I processors. If you go the desktop route you can safely go up to a Pentium 3 processor, but everyone will just say its overkill. If you plan to do gaming though, then I would suggest going with the Pentium 3, and a decent graphics card. Then you can pretty much play any game that came out between 1988 to 1999 or maybe even earlier. Some later games will require Windows 95/98 however.
The laptops I have are maxed out at 150 mb of ram or so, and I have never had a problem with any song I have made, with sample time, or any game from the dos era. For all dos tracking, I would say 128mb is a nice amount to have.
Sound Cards (desktops):
YIKES. This took awhile to figure out the best one, but now you can skip all that jazz !
Sound Blaster 16 CT1740. This is the one you want. And these are ISA sound cards, as opposed to PCI, so make sure your motherboard has an ISA slot !!!
They are getting harder and harder to find, but by far the best sounding one. I wish I still had the audio recordings I did a couple years back, that clearly showed the tone difference in the Sound Blaster 16 models. This is 100 percent true OPL3 (ymf262) , and has nice sound quality with minimal noise output compared to other models. And I have tried pretty much all variations of them.
Sound Cards (laptops):
It seems that the most popular choices for sb16 compatible laptops are either Compaq or Toshiba. We are just going to forget about Toshiba altogether. They are just royal pains to configure, features they have, work with, etc. The Compaq Armada line is what you want!!!
Compaq Armada 7770 series
This was the first model I ever bought to test and see if it would take an ms-dos install, and run some trackers. And it did just that with no problems. It boots to cd automatically (huge advantage even having a cd drive too). And its swappable if you want to put in a floppy drive.
If you were to get your hands on any of the Compaq Armada 7xxx series models, I am 99.9 percent confident you will have no troubles with installing ms-dos, and no problems getting sound to work whatsoever. Just pop is the dos cd and turn it on!!
Here are some specific models that I have owned and can 100 percent confirm that they work.
Compaq Armada 7700 DMT
Compaq Armada 7770 DMT
Compaq Armada 7510 MT
Compaq Armada 7730 MT
Compaq Armada 7710 MT
Compaq Armada 7360 DMT
Compaq Armada 7800
Compaq Armada 7400
Compaq Armada 3500
Compaq Presario 1640
If you want to be super safe, just get the 77xx models.
Another plus about these models is the parallel port. So just pick up a zip drive on ebay for like $6, and you are ready to transfer. Well, you'd obviously then need a USB zip drive too, to send to another computer for backup. And as mentioned before, these laptops read cds, and even burned cds. I never had any trouble with it. Some older laptops dont read burned cds at all, so again these Compaq Armadas have great features, and are fully capable of running any dos tracker you can throw at it.
Some other Compaq models that work :
Compaq 15xx dmt series
Compaq 17xx series
These are much older than the Armada laptops, will most likely max out at 32 or 64 mb of ram, and not have a cd drive.
The sound card in these laptops are ESS Audio drive cards. They are 100 percent sound blaster 16 compatible, and in the ms-dos install (which I will post the zip file for) contains these drivers. So there is no configurations needed!
Other other models:
Thinkpad 760EL
Toshiba Portege 620CT
Toshiba Satellite 225CDS
Toshiba Satellite 325CDS
Toshiba Tecra 8000
Toshiba Libretto 50 - 110
Lastly, You can download MS-DOS 7.1 here:
http://www.allthingsexcellent.com/plane /dos71.zip
Just unzip it, and burn it exactly how it is to a cd. When you are installing, it asks you if you want to install sound cards. Just select the ESS AUDIODRIVE one, and you are good to go!
This version of dos also has a nice file browser. When you are in dos, just type "vc" then enter, and it will pull it up. Now you can browse your files, if you are not that savvy with dos commands yet.
Trackers:
Oh so many to choose from!! The ones I prefer are:
Impulse Tracker 2.14 (64 sample channels of mayhem!)
Adlib Tracker II (18 channel FM synthesis only)
Nerd Tracker (NES tracker)
You can download them all and more here:
http://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?type% amp;order=
If you want rip it up and jump right into AT2, here is a short tutorial I made to help get you started:
Also, here is a tiny album I made containing some useful Adlib Tracker II stuff. It includes 34 instruments I created and 2 songs demonstrating them.
The zip file contains:
-All the instruments in one file ("O2INST.a2m")
-Individual Instrument folder (Adlib Tracker instrument format)
-2 songs demonstrating the instruments provided
in Adlib Tracker song format and mp3 format
OxygenStar - For My Friends
DOWNLOAD: http://www.allthingsexcellent.com/plane riends.zip
So here is the rundown:
Purchase desktop with an ISA slot, and Sound Blaster 16 CT1740 sound card
or
Purchase Compaq Armada 7xxx series laptop
Download Ms-Dos 7.1 ( http://www.allthingsexcellent.com/plane
/dos71.zip )
Burn it to a CD
Put CD in drive, and boot to CD. The Compaq laptops will boot to it automatically.
Install Ms-Dos. During install, select ESS AUDIO DRIVE as sound card.
Reboot after install
Now copy any trackers you want to the computer from a cd or zip drive
The best one to try first is Adlib Tracker II, just to make sure sound works correctly. http://www.adlibtracker.net/downloads.php
If sound is wacky or jumbled up, then you just need to change one setting in the adtrack2.ini file. You can edit this file in dos by browsing to the AT2 directory and typing "edit adtrack2.ini" Scroll down until you see the "opl_latency=0" line. Change the 0 to a "1" and then save. Reboot. And now sound should playback normally.
I also found this neat application for MS-DOS a while back, and it works for the ESS AUDIODRIVE cards too. "SBVOL.EXE," It allows you to adjust master output as well as the master volume of the FM chip. Or even your line input. You can download it here:
http://www.allthingsexcellent.com/plane /sbvol.zip
*UPDATED* 9-15-14
Here is some Info about installing an SSD in your oldie laptop. Fun fun !!
So I have been trying out some solid state drives/CF to IDE converters. I will specify here which ones I found have that work and which didn't. The advantages when using these are:
Less noisey sound output. This is huge !!! With a traditional IDE drive installed, whenever I would load a new song in Impulse Tracker, I could hear the actual hard drive being accessed. It's an audible noise. With the SSD installed, there is no more loading time noise!
Also, fast load times! Such performance!
These were tested on Compaq Armada laptops, models: 7770, 7770DMT.
THE GOOD:
Super Talent 4GB IDE SSD
Just got some today. They work great. However, you MUST do all partitioning/formatting within MS-DOS. It does not like it if you hook this up to a modern (windows 7) PC and partition and format. Even if you partitiong to FAT32, once you put the SSD in the laptop MS-DOS doesnt install correctly or won't detect. You must use FDISK, and then FORMAT on your MS-DOS machine itself. Or after running FDISK and setting it up, you can run the DOS 7.1 install since it contains FORMAT built-in.
SYBA 2.5 IDE to dual compact flash drive
**Shown inside Armada 7770DMT caddy
Works awesome. However, only works awesome with Sandisk Ultra II 15mb/s compact flash cards. I only tried with 4GB ones. It should be fine with the 8GB ones. But other brands I tried like DANE-ELEC or TRANSCEND, it did not like/did not detect. So stick to Sandisk cards (older ones) with this IDE to CF adapter. Same applies to above, you MUST do all partitioning and formatting from the MS-DOS computer for it work/detect properly.
THE BAD
Swissbit 8GB SSD
Very finicky, I only got one drive to work in one of my machines, when all the other setups/combos worked in all or none. So I would stay away from those!
That's all the brands I have tried so far. Hope this helps some of you out!! The easiest ones to get a hold of are the SYBA adapters and SANDISK ULTRA II compact flash cards.
BONUS!!!
If you are one of the very few to be rocking a desktop. I have put an SSD in one of those too. I installed a 2.5 inch 32GB Sandisk SATA drive, with a SATA to IDE adaptor. Works great in DOS !!
If anyone else has tried other brands/configurations feel free to let us all know!
This is a good basis to get started with. Feel free to post any questions on this thread, or message me. I will update this info as I think of more things to mention, or other tips and tricks.
Your OPL3 Commander,
Carl
198 Oct 25, 2012 9:00 pm
Re: Post Your Facebook Pages For The Liking! (184 replies, posted in General Discussion)
199 Oct 25, 2012 12:46 pm
Re: fm synthesis - sources on instruction (8 replies, posted in Tutorials, Mods & How-To's)
Here ya go! maybe this will give some background and what FM is about
200 Oct 22, 2012 5:27 pm
Re: UBI052 Kulor — NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL KULOR! (17 replies, posted in Releases)
Fantastic music.. Been listening to it for the past 2 days.
201 Oct 22, 2012 4:37 pm
Re: Adlib Tracker II: ROLL CALL (39 replies, posted in Other Vintage Computers & Consoles)
Yes, the macros are per instrument. Which I still haven't delved into much. I think in the back of my mind, I am discouraged since I know when you start to use macros with the effects columns, it does tend to drag and lose tempo...
202 Oct 18, 2012 7:14 pm
Re: [JP, TOKYO] 10.25.2012 - I/O TOKYO - goferboy - Note! - 16+ - FREE (13 replies, posted in Past Events)
oh man you guys rule.
203 Oct 14, 2012 4:48 pm
Re: 8STATIC 4th ANNIVERSARY 10/13 • BIT SHIFTER, RADLIB, an0va, Nikola W. (61 replies, posted in Past Events)
THIS SHOW WAS OFF THE HINGES LIKE A BROKEN DOOR
204 Oct 13, 2012 3:53 pm
Re: 8STATIC 4th ANNIVERSARY 10/13 • BIT SHIFTER, RADLIB, an0va, Nikola W. (61 replies, posted in Past Events)
Being Jawn Malkovich
205 Oct 13, 2012 3:34 am
Re: 8STATIC 4th ANNIVERSARY 10/13 • BIT SHIFTER, RADLIB, an0va, Nikola W. (61 replies, posted in Past Events)
JAWN WITH THE WIND
206 Oct 11, 2012 7:32 pm
Re: music you make vs music you want to make (72 replies, posted in General Discussion)
I just try to convert whats in my head to sound or a song. Then its all just production stuff after that. I make that sound easy, BUT IT AINT.
I once was influenced/inspired by a Pantera song I heard. When I got home I made an electro house track. Hey brain, what gives?? I just dont think I ever tried to emulate a style (other than fitting inside a genre) unless I am doing a cover song, but then its usually on a different medium than the original..
Now on the other hand, I wish I could bust out Alex Mauer or Cheap Dinosaurs grooves all day.. but I have come to the realization that it's just not me or what I am capable of. And that's fine, because people would then be saying, "you make good tracks but you sound like Alex Mauer and Cheap Dinosaurs." Ya cant say that to me now, can ya!?!?
So I guess to break down my musical endeavors in a nut shell, I have visions of every idea beforehand. And I know my exact skill limits, what I am capable of creating, and when to stop/cut back if its out of my "element." However, the challenge is knowing when this occurs.
207 Oct 10, 2012 1:10 pm
Re: ADLIB PC file repository (11 replies, posted in Other Vintage Computers & Consoles)
I need one of those mixer softwares that set the audio levels of stuff in DOS. I think it was some sort of audio driver for OPL compatible cards. Anybody has any? O2STAR?
Did that exe file I gave you a long while back ever work? "SB16.exe" or what not??
208 Oct 8, 2012 4:58 pm
Re: Adlib Tracker II: ROLL CALL (39 replies, posted in Other Vintage Computers & Consoles)
OLD:
and I also made a tutorial awhile back as well, in case no one has seen it yet: