1,793 Reply by nitro2k01

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Zombies/undead people/that sort of thing seems to be pretty big too.

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1,794 Reply by nitro2k01

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Hmm, there are indeed a few chip albums with a skull theme...

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1,795 Reply by nitro2k01

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Moved to collaborations...

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1,796 Reply by nitro2k01

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Moved to collaborations...

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1,797 Reply by nitro2k01

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A day late and a dollar short. What they're ultimately after is killing piracy. First they released PSP 3000 which killed the Pandora battery, but soon people figured out how to hack it. Then they released PSP Go which was set out to kill piracy, it was pretty much a commercial failure. Now they're trying to do the same thing again but they're also including a phone, but without the benefit of being able to almost directly port old PSP software. Mark my words, this is going to be a complete and utter failure.

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1,798 Reply by nitro2k01

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godinpants wrote:
nitro2k01 wrote:

This type of track is typically judged on other qualities than just "musical quality". It's really more about accomplishment. Showing off your note-cramming skills. The bar is not lowered, it's just different criteria.

How about the accomplishment of 4 channels over a modern DAW?
Accomplishment over the limitations imposed by the medium.

A composer with experience in the medium will assess it that way, but what about outsiders or listeners. Are limitations important to them? are they aware they exist?

No that's my whole point. It's typically only for music with artificial limitations, like one-channel songs, that people compose music specifically for the limitations. That type of song requires some knowledge about the technology to see what the accomplishment is.

My thesis, though, is that in general with chip music, this is not the case. In general chip music can be judged purely on intuitive musical qualities.

BTW, the same argument could be applied to acoustic guitar players. Are they in it for the limitations?

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1,799 Reply by nitro2k01

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I'm locking this again. I unlocked it under the presumption that it would be useful for relaying information about the status of 8bc. Instead, this thread has been used to discuss just about every single thing on earth except for that.

Instead, I'll just refer anyone who's interested in 8bc's status, to its Twitter: http://twitter.com/8bitcollective
It seems like a much better place for relaying site information.

And since we do have PMs here, you can send a PM if you have a really important question for *E. No need to leave this thread open for that.

For reference, here are the 8bc status updates so far:

February 2

*E wrote:
BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:

i had heard that jose was going to be implementing some new code and site changes. paging *E to the thread!

At your service, and yes what you heard is correct.

Fire Brand Boy, Jose asked me to thank you.

February 4

*E wrote:

An update: DB crash has caused some extra down time but Jose is working to get it back up ASAP.

February 6

*E wrote:

Just in case anyone missed what actually happened, the database crashed and is being repaired, as well as a few new features being added.

Thanks for your patience.

February 8

*E (Twitter) wrote:

Hey everyone sorry for the dowtime! The database is fine, backed up and everything! Expected return is this Friday. More news soon /// *E

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1,800 Reply by nitro2k01

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godinpants wrote:

I'm not suggesting they are of lesser quality. What i am suggesting is that if i were to reproduce a track in one channel as opposed to four, Would you expect equal outcomes based on the increased limitation?
Furthermore, would the aspect of "this was written in one channel" make you more lenient in your critique of the track?

You're talking about too different things. For one thing those who make chip music because they like to do so for whatever reason. And you're also talking about, for example one channel tracks, which is in a way, more of an artificial limitation. The latter is often done as a competition (formal or informal). This type of track is typically judged on other qualities than just "musical quality". It's really more about accomplishment. Showing off your note-cramming skills. The bar is not lowered, it's just different criteria.

And I think this may be true to some degree for chip music in general, but of course this is very dependent on both the individual composer's motives, and the individual listener's reference frame. That is not to say that you can't do chip music that is just good on its own merits, without being judged at a lower standard.

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1,801 Reply by nitro2k01

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godinpants wrote:
nitro2k01 wrote:

I wouldn't say it's about limitations as much as using a unique (relatively speaking) tool. These are tools with their own quirks and perks, that you have to master. It's not the limitations per se, but the path these limitations inspire you to take, and also as a result how the software running on the lo-bit machines are designed. Who would get the idea of adding tables or grooves like those on LSDj, to some generic PC software? Incidentally, those are two of the features that I miss the most in other software.

Personally i feel the limitation side of this is an irrelevant aspect of chip music.That is largely why i am interested in what people have to say.

As a composer, it seems like a very relevant aspect, as opposed to for a listener. However I'm only claiming to speak for myself. What I said is no universal truth, just my opinion.

godinpants wrote:
nitro2k01 wrote:

Generally speaking, I don't "get" the concept of using lo-bit VSTs on a PC. You keep the "worst" part of lo-bit (simple wave forms) and throw away the "best" parts (modulation, arpeggios, fine tuned control.) To me, composing lo-bit music doesn't take away something, it adds something.

So what if you could emulate technique with a new sound set?
I suppose renoise might fit there.

Spot on. Renoise is just about the only non-chip sequencer I'm using. It's not a new LSDj (still missing tables and grooves, although these can be emulated fairly well in Renoise with higher LPB settings. But yes, I like some of the things you can do with high precision sample-slicing in Renoise.

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1,802 Reply by nitro2k01

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godinpants wrote:

I think discussion of gear is an important part of the chip culture in that it's the gear that draws us together, instead of a genre.

Yep, or put differently, chip music is not a genre, but an instrumentation. (Although it has some connotations of which genre it's supposed be, etc...)

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1,803 Reply by nitro2k01

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godinpants wrote:

If you are given 4 channels, do you write a 4 channel song? or a song in 4 channels?

Let me put it this way. if you compose a song in such a way that there are more than 4 distinct sounds going on at the same time, and the listener "hears" more than 4 channels, you're not composing a 4 channel song. smile

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1,804 Reply by nitro2k01

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I wouldn't say it's about limitations as much as using a unique (relatively speaking) tool. These are tools with their own quirks and perks, that you have to master. It's not the limitations per se, but the path these limitations inspire you to take, and also as a result how the software running on the lo-bit machines are designed. Who would get the idea of adding tables or grooves like those on LSDj, to some generic PC software? Incidentally, those are two of the features that I miss the most in other software.

Generally speaking, I don't "get" the concept of using lo-bit VSTs on a PC. You keep the "worst" part of lo-bit (simple wave forms) and throw away the "best" parts (modulation, arpeggios, fine tuned control.) To me, composing lo-bit music doesn't take away something, it adds something.

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1,805 Reply by nitro2k01

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monx: Jose isn't known for having sense. Also, Awol isn't a moderator, and I think you completely missed his joke. smile

Decktrrrrrronic:

And still leaving http://8bc.org/forums/index.php up with another error message. Smooth... A real pro would've made a .htaccess with only two lines, that goes a little something like

RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule . error.php

and then have some infoz in error.php.

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1,806 Reply by nitro2k01

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I'm guessing Emmanuel Tetteh was a 7-year-old surfing the web for the firsrt time ever. Prince De Gameboy might have something to do with this movie...

And yes, I was sure it wasn't a bot. I have coded a (so far) bot-proof protection script.

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1,807 Reply by nitro2k01

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bryface wrote:

it pains me to see how gross some of those DMGs look.  agh!!

So much pain and misery in the world, right?

bryface wrote:

did you know that if you took all of the DMGs sold in the world, you'd have enough of them to feed twelve small countries of starving children?

You mean like the Ghanans? Like Emmanuel Tetteh or Prince De Gameboy?

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1,808 Reply by nitro2k01

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http://www.engadget.com/photos/hong-kon … t/#3850306

Ah-frickin'-ha! A Libretto! Those are super small and are known to contain an OPL chip!

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