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SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

I dont think Im right, theres stuff that simply "is". You play a chip based device? chipmusic. You play a modern computer with synths and awl? Not chipmusic (altho, linguistically, for all you little Chomsky heads, yes, 95% of electronic music is "chip" music. But we dont call rock and roll "coil music").

Right, so you agree that the definition isn't necessarily entirely technical? If you mean to say that rock music has as much to do with rocks or rocking as 8-bit music has to do with 8-bit machines, I agree with you. There is a vague but intuitive connection, but not much more.

SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

¿You play 8 bit samples? A polemic question, but you get what I mean. (Personally, unless youre in an old school tracker, id say, no, thats not chipmusic)

So the method makes a difference, regardless of the particular hardware?

SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

I care about people caring. Im so sick of labels and frontiers and elitism. WHO REALLY CARES about if this is 8 bit or not or 9 or fakebit or dumbstep or dnb or pop.

If what you cared about was people caring, why would you present a definition of 8-bit music as something that "simply is"? That probably makes the most elitist stance presented in this thread?

SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

My condescending tone comes from the attitude of people willing to dig deep in this topic again. I wish Crystal castles would steal another sample or someone says "mario at a rave" again on tv, at least in those deja vu topics we get some laughs.

You were the one who posted a four line guide to 8-bit music categorization that obviously not everyone agrees with. In comparison, I feel like what I've said here is generously inclusive of the subjective standards people hold, including those you presented in your last post. Didn't you expect your posts would fuel the discussion? You seem to be looking to have the last word, all while telling everyone how tired you are of the topic.

SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

I dont understand why we keep on this topic again again again and again.

I assume you have an idea of why you join the discussion yourself. Hold that thought and consider that there are a lot of members on this forum that are as likely as you to have their own more or less subjective ideas of what 8-bit music/chiptune/chip music is.

SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

Is it made by 8 bit machines? then its 8 bit.

There are a lot of different opinions on what constitutes an 8-bit music, not all pertaining to the general architecture of the machine it was produced on, hence terms like "4-bit music" being used to label music that is produced on something most people will agree is an 8-bit (Game Boy) or even 16- or 32-bit (Atari ST) machine, or "1-bit music", typically produced on what most would agree are 8-bit machines (ZX, etc.) or 16- or 32-bit machines (IBM PC compatibles).

I personally avoid saying "8-bit music" at all because the words themselves gives a false hope of technical unambiguity in its definition that isn't consistent with the bodies of work that actually brought the term into use.

SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

is it made by samplers? then its sampler based music.

What if the sampler in question is an 8-bit machine?

SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

Is it made by other kind of machines? then its another thing.

What if you couldn't tell the other machine from an 8-bit machine? How could you say that the difference is significant in musical classification?

SuperBustySamuraiMonkey wrote:

Seriously, WHO CARES.

This makes at least two of us.