goto80 wrote:

Just in response to Mono -- I think that there was a "punk" attitude in chipmusic. Some kind of non-explicit politics in how micromusic branched out, and the way people made/discussed music. [yes, it was elitist too] Or am I way off? I guess it became embarrasing to talk about this after Malcolm McLaren. Maybe this 'network politics' was something that never really took root in the US?

My point is perhaps, that chipmusic has (had) so many political aspects connected to it (in terms of hacking, distribution/communication, aesthetics) that it is almost funny how harmless and non-political it is often described. Naääaäääeäeä! Chipmusic is the only (political) digital music!


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By what means of Punk attitude are you referring to exactly? DIY? The political stance? The fashion? The anger? etc As it gets complicated.

To my understanding, Micromusic was a site which only allowed certain people to pass through their gates e.g. if they enjoyed/liked your music, you were in. Otherwise you couldn't get your music on it. Thus featured and exposed.

It was a private club, imo.

I don't recall the punk attitude being a private club, unless you associate "looks" with "punk" aka the way you dress.

I remember it was even hard to get off it actually. I remember Dispyz trying to get his stuff deleted on that site, but couldn't quite do it. I'm not sure if he ever got them deleted in the end.

I forgot this as well:

herr_prof wrote:

I think i personally have as much to fault with go daddy as fox news, so why bother going down that road? Human society is built upon a rich tapestry of hypocrisies, but what the fuck does it have to do with this argument?

Why bother? Because you can easily can, if you wanted to. If you have beef with it and yet support it, I think it's rather hypocritical.

But yes, I'm fully aware society is built upon a rich tapestry of hypocrisies (lolpunk for example)... and it can get pretty ugly. Especially nowadays, there's so much connected, what with the interbutts. So it's rather harder to get on an extreme angle/perspective and do it properly. There is no doubt in my mind society has grown around hypocrisy, as it's a proven method time and time again.

I see it everyday. As does everyone else, even if you're not aware of it.

I feel it's completely relevant to all this however. Simply because it happens and functions, does not negate the fundamental part of my argument.

Hypocrisy is still hypocrisy, however you want to look at it.

Whether it benefits or not.

The environment changes but the game is still the same.

herr_prof wrote:

more stuff

Yes, you can state it reasonably. I've already stated why. It's not something hard to grasp, dude.

The point is this, this was stated:




"Yet the community apparently has no problem with making an appearance on one of the most despicable television channels around.  We certainly do seem to have a fucked up set of priorities."

and yet, this is done:

Signed up and appearing on http://myspace.com/nullsleep






This is what they (pr1mate) wanted to achieve:

/insert_pr1mate_tv_time AKA exposure

yet, this is done:

http://myspace.com/nullsleep AKA exposure






Rupert is behind it all and is the cause of the original "beef" that was brought up. Rupert is News Corp. Rupert directs it all. Rupert owns it all. He's the one that benefits from all his assets to in turn continue on what he is doing. So if one wants to take a proper stand against an entity, do it right, not half-assed.


And you brought up this, forgot to address it last time:

"Where you just looking to take a swipe at other chip music artists under the guise of being edgy"

(left out amigacorer as it just sounds silly)

Well guess what, same can be said here:

It's so easy to look edgy and suddenly political, and take a blow at FOX news, especially when you're not the one in question that will be featured on it. I mean why wouldn't it be easy ? You have nothing to lose. Only gain from looking "edgy".

Probably wasn't the angle, but people can easily say as such. So your hints at your question and comments that followed that, is simply pure speculation. I feel it was an attempt at a low blow which is unrelated to all this, to somehow discredit and completely make this all irrelevant. I may add, wouldn't be the first time you go about in assuming things either, Peter. ;)

The only reason why I brought up the whole "Delete Your Myspace" aka "Don't Appear On The Site" for your entertainment purpose was in response to the negativity that was attached to "Pr1mate's appearance on TV" for entertainment purposes. Was to see if certain people in question would actually have the fortitude and stand by their words.

If a person wants to see the world from a black and white world perspective, then so be it. But at least stand by it when it actually involves you and not others. Not half-assed.

Like I said, appearing on the internet and appearing on TV have the same effect: it's exposure and it's definitely communication. One just happens to be international by default. The other just happens to be local or national or international, depending by what means you're accessing it (older technology after all). They are all owned by the same guy regardless, who's behind the "controversies".

I would like to add: I would be saying differently if BR1GHT PR1MATE's intentions were from a political point of view, but they never were. They were strictly for entertainment.

Attaching such negativity to something that is strictly done for fun and kicks is just way too extreme and, imo, a poor attempt to falsely attach negative connotations to it.

herr_prof wrote:

stuff.


Hit it incorrectly dude.

Firstly, I myself wasn't questioning bright primates artistic talent or ability. Nor do I care for it. It's a matter of subjectivity anyway. I simply agreed with those comments/reviews that were posted in regards to Primate's performance being, well, shit. Adding to that, in turn pointing out electronic music in general has suffered similar fate in the past. Nothing more. Thus same ol', same ol'. But thanks for missing the whole point ;)

Secondly, your argument is rather weak in regards to using an online service, which just happens to be an international  global service by default, compared to using a national  television show (or is it local? I forget, I don't own a TV, sorry. ;p Doesn't matter anyway, not the point), who happens to be owned by the same man.

BOTH, are a source of exposure. BOTH are a tool used to communicate. BOTH can be used as tool of entertainment. BOTH can be used politically as well. Simply because they are done on different platforms, does not negate their similar functionality and purpose.

You're simply putting a dark veil over it all and pretending it's not all connected in one form or another. Just to make it seem legit and "OK". It's state of denial.

Lastly: "any artistic act is a political statement"

You are correct in a sense. In another you are not. However, that gets even more complicated. The politics of love (there's various forms of love, guess which one I speak of here) and despair is another subject.

The specifics politics brought up in this thread I will only address, however. Which were in regards to a certain group of people appearing on TV show, who just so happens to be on FOX (who just so happen to have a reputation for being an awful network, but the show itself, to my knowledge is simply an entertainment show). Regardless, Primate's intention was to simply use it as a source of exposure and expression. However, Mr. Sleep (among others, such as yourself I believe) brought up a irrelevant negative connection to that specifically. Yet, on the other side of the coin: he himself (and probably you as well) have used similar tools owned by FOX to do the very same thing Primate's intentions were. Thus it's  very hypocritical to state, as people are doing the very same thing they did. Except on the internet. Just so happens to be a different platform. However, that's trivial, as I said: both function and are used in similar, if not identical, manner in regards to communicating to an audience.

'nuff said.

EDITED: TO REMOVE ANNOYING IMAGE SMILIES :D

Oh forgot to seal the deal, since everyone forgets this little small fact:

Yet the community apparently has no problem with making an account on MySpace, owned by Rupert Murdoch, Chairman and CEO of News Corporation, the owner of Fox News Channel.

If anyone want to truly make a political statement delete your myspace for good. Rather than critique without any real substance behind it and/or action.

Actions speak louder than words.

Here's a start: http://www.myspace.com/nullsleep

http://www.myspace.com/8bitpeoples

:D

Cheers. Let get fucking political!

Shit, I had to come back. I just found the funniest shit ever. I fucking spat orange juice all over my Mac due to it hahaha. I'm still laughing over it. I just feel it's totally relevant in an irrelevant way:

Can be found on Nullsleep's last.fm profile.

I know many of you won't find it funny, but perhaps others will. As I found it fucking hilarious xD

... and come to think of it now, somehow I think it'd end up sounding like BR1GHT PR1MATE haha

...Fine fine. I'll see myself out the door.

Haters gonna hate.

later.

Same ol' same ol'.

Electronic music has suffered similar faith time and time again (although, like old Nullsleep muzak: I thought BR1GHT PR1MATE was shitty as well. So I agree. I HAS AN OPINION: calm down).

Anyway, the year is 1979/80, PUNK FRAWK WAS STILL ALL THE RAEG... well, sorta. I guess we were at post punk at this point:

Gary Numan was accept while hated by many.... and those prior to him were even less accepted. Same old arguments were brought up: not authentic. Not earthy enough. NOT REAL etc.

Anyway, I think Crass put it quite well at some point:

"If it's done for entertainment, simply take it as entertainment."

I believe that was a reference to a lot of punk bands at the time, who posed as political activists, but yet were simply musicians yelling out empty promises and false hopes. Just catchy slogans. It had no true value, as many never truly lived by what they stated. I mean, the Sex Pistols w/Anarchy in the UK? srsly? While on a major record label? Come on. Bulldada. It's empty.

If your music holds no political point of view whatsoever, then performing on some shitty show really does not matter (on a personal level), imo...

Now on a scene/community level... it may have different drawbacks. However, since when did you fuckers get all political? Seriously? wtf? Since when has chip music been political. Can someone point that out to me? To me, over the years it looks more like it consist of the old reich (old school chip-hopers, that may or may not have demoscene backgrounds. Which started of mostly out of nostalgia, to some anyway) to teeny-bopper sceneter kids (which mostly consist of the UK kids tongue). It's nothing like punk ever was (although punk itself is a hypocrisy, but that's another time I could bore you with). I have yet to see it emerge as some scene that exchanges political ideas and expression.

Srsly.

Gaiz.

....Srsly.

Anyway, I'm not sure why people are still taking "8bit" as a revelation.... I mean, Timbaland has been up on that biznatch from here and back as it is already. I mean, come on, Britney too?

I mean Crystal Castles have even taken it full blown... I mean, come on, Toshiba commercials:

That was seen internationally.

Although, while loved by many, you wouldn't believe the amount of hate.... oh right, I forgot what site I was on again xD

hahaha

Man, sleepy time for me. bai nao.

i lol'd. I can totally picture. Robocop is one badass motha.

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(10 replies, posted in Graphics, Artwork & Design)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

lol. I've enjoyed stuff by you in the past, as you already know, so :p

Track names: that's how I received them.

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(20 replies, posted in General Discussion)

lol either a troll or mentally handicapped. I love how this guy didn't get shit from anyone except RG. Yet, other more productive threads get shat on and are in turn issued warnings pointlessly.

"I produce speedcore"

Yet, I'm on a "chip music" site... which usually and majorily consists of bleeps and bloops (don't care if you have a sub-forum, not a whole lot of info to begin with. To top it off they didn't even bother to post there specifically. So obviously were not even aware of it. Talk about fucking moderation on this site, lol). Hardly any bending. Most here are probably clueless to it, except a few.

"recently discovered sound bending"

so I come to chip forum. jah?

"I already have a shit load of toys n stuff to use but don't usderstand really how it works.. can i put it threw my mixer or laptop? I dont get were it goes from the toy to????"

I make speedcore and  have a mixer.... yet don't have the slightest clue how input  and output jacks work. hurp durp hurp durp.

There's plenty of much more insightful stuff out there with a simple google search to begin with.  Even on youtube and whatnot. lawlz.

Anyway, lets derail some more to a pointless thread in an inappropriate forum section due to lack of moderation: The Distort13 Stagediver stuff is the best SD to date, imo. They need to get off their fucking asses and release it properly already. Geezus.

I use to lean more towards Despez stuff in the past, but I'm a firm higher believer of SD stuff now. I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT. PRAISE ALAH

Linky: http://trebledeathsystem.com/releases/509

Samples:

Ralp: 


Army of 2600:


Taken from the WERK EP: Robot Flense REMIXED.

WERK EP can be found here as well:

http://trebledeathsystem.com/releases/36

Those to blame:

VideoGame Orchestra: http://www.videogameorchestra.com/
Jellica: http://www.myspace.com/jellicadrdru
Arottenbit: http://www.facebook.com/arottenbit666
Okajimahal: http://www.myspace.com/okajimahal
8GB: http://8gb.kikencorp.com
George apergis: http://www.myspace.com/georgeapergis
Recodd: http://www.myspace.com/recodd
Niadoka: http://www.myspace.com/niadoka
Ralp: http://ralp.org/
Army Of 2600: http://www.myspace.com/armyof2600

On a personal level, I'm not a fan of remix albums. I won't even go into it, since I get anal about it. However, to my surprise this turned out rather nicely put together. It works.

Anyway, I  promise this one appeals a tad more to those chip-hoppers out there! chip-hop hop to it! xD Or not, what do I know really.

Whatever :D

Also, am I the only one that finds these image smilies/emoticons fucking annoying?

Yikes.

Give me that old school: ;D

I got it too, just now ;[

hah! Actually, I believe they do. Usually appears on the dashboard like this:

Right smack at the top.

But I can't recall when that was implemented though. Not sure if your v2.8 had it yet. I lose track after so many updates with this stuff. Regardless, once you update, in the future it should say from now on. ;D

lawlz. Was downloading a release two days ago or something.

Certain it was an FTP compromise? As I noticed your Wordpress installation is out of date:

v2.8.6

Naughty boi :p

They just released 3.0 a bit back.

I'm not too certain or can't recall what security updates were made, but it's always a good idea to always keep it up to date:

http://wordpress.org/

Plus, it's easiest WP version to maintain to date, if you ask me personally. I mean, even non-tech/developers can maintain it at this point.

Older versions of any piece of software are always susceptible to being broken into in one way or another e.g. injections and whatnot etc etc.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Whoopies, I think .htaccess backfired on me with linking mp3s on external sites.

*fixes temporarily*

Completely forgot about that. Should stream now.

Anyway, I actually like vocals on it, hah. I think it works. I don't think the guy himself took the track seriously regardless, perhaps it shows/gives off that vibe to you, RG, and in turn you don't likey?

I enjoy it anyway.

irrlichtproject wrote:

there is no such thing as experimental drum & bass.


DUDE, WHERE ARE MY ICONS?!!?

hahaha

Yes, this is the part where you disappear again. ;D